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 Guangzhou Station Construction of the first owners of a harmonious community training site public broadcast station in Guangzhou action Organizer: Harmony Community Development Centre (GOCO) property magazine Modern Time: October 3, 2007 8:30-12:00 am Location: Tianhe District, Guangzhou, Guangdong Province Academy of Social Sciences 369, Lecture Chair: Song Youxing (modern property magazine publisher and editor in chief) training topics and speakers: 1 Theme 1 (one hour): Community Governance and Property Management (Speaker: Miss if Yan, harmonious community development center director, community governance famous public persons) 2, Theme 2 (one hour): Community Governance Seminar: domestic (foreign) local communities autonomy Present Problems and Countermeasures (Speaker: You-Chen Hong, vice president of Harmony Community Development Center, China Renmin University Institutional Analysis and Public Policy Research Center, deputy director of the China People's University Institute of Public Policy and Associate Professor of Public Security, China's leading experts in community governance, ; modern community, officially began on the morning of the first owners of my training for our public service activities of this basic meaning to you a brief introduction. The event was organized by Beijing harmonious community development centers and modern property jointly organized by the magazine, the Harmony Community Center community governance in our country in the field of a non-profit organization, which is based, including academic research, extra-curricular studies and practice, in the community for the purpose of academic and non-profit organization, the predecessor of the Chinese People's University community issues management group, magazine is a modern property in the property management field in our country in a professional journal, but also the first public offering by the owners of domestic and international magazines, the magazine mainly in community governance, as well as owners of real estate property management and communication between , communication platform, why should these two units to initiate such an activity? (8:44 pm update) we know that our country in the current process of the new community building, or the collapse of traditional community is a difference, and The new community is facing many problems, these problems are our owners of property management companies, real estate development companies as well as government organizations, government departments and other organizations, and we are very concerned about the problem, so by the harmonious community center and a modern property magazine Community initiated and sponsored this event, we think that is significant. Here let me make this event the instructor give you an introduction: This is Tsai If Yan (applause), Cai if Yan is a harmonious community center director, a community Governance famous public persons. This is Chen You-Hong (applause), Chen You-Hong is a harmonious community, deputy director of China People's University Institutional Analysis and Public Policy Research Center, deputy director of the Chinese People's University School of Public Policy and Public Safety Institute Associate Professor, China well-known community governance experts, is a modern property magazine Modern Community Special Column. This is Lei Bin (applause), Lei Bin, Guangdong Province, officials of the Law Committee of NPC Standing Committee, is a modern property magazine column hosts some kind comments. ( 8:46 pm update) we are the characteristics of public service activities is the need everyone's support and constructive and creative work can be guaranteed, so we have been working in Guangzhou with the help of many enthusiastic people in Here I would like to thank Mr. Sun Weili, please Mr. Sun Weili to tell you about (applause), for Xi Jianhua (sound) President, thanked the Guangdong Academy of Social Sciences, training activities on the agenda for everyone to do a presentation, the first three hours of the expected time, each instructor is an hour, an hour at the end of this time, the appropriate property owners have some time left to your questions, question requirements please raise their hands, then motioned to speak by the moderator simply tell me the time of their names and their work area or unit, when the question is because of our limited time, owners of the largest residential treatment process The problem is how to put time for yourself, but also to others, so the problem of simplification, the two parties directly to ask questions answered by our instructors, in this process without debate and discussion, not have fun if you feel the exchange, Please continue after the time the time left to others as much as possible, each speaker is one hour, due to take a few minutes of opening time, make the appropriate compression time for each teacher. the last one is the business group to a request to all of us Everyone has a hand feedback, please participate in the training process in any comments, please fill in the feedback form to pay the above, if the feeling does not write, write enough, you can also add paper, there is a questionnaire, this questionnaire is a member of industry, the Commission or a member of the preparatory group there, the other owners may do not have this questionnaire, this questionnaire also requested to assist us in the process of social scientific practice, we need a lot of data collection , please help us fill out, where you can make tea break in the middle of the time, that is, each is over, handed in the tea break when the business group's hands, not to smoke in the meeting time, the use of cell phones, my brief opening remarks on here. Here we report on this before we have a few minutes, invited representatives of Guangzhou, Mr. Sun Weili owners of the event to express our feelings. (8:49 pm update) Sun power: Dear owners, I am here a few minutes to explain that the owners of the scene here today, committee members or the individual owners, the owners by our Guangzhou Association of Preparatory Committee to invite volunteers here, he points up and down the two systems, am about 20-30 in the afternoon, too, that's so kind of you together here today, on behalf of the owners committee of volunteers we have to thank you the owner of the scene, I'm here to give you bow (applause), and salute, because I have been thinking, we Guangzhou Association of property owners committee has been going on for two years of ups and downs, such a long time, really have done some things, some governments have also been The encouragement, in particular, by the majority of the owners of our committee members and owners of the utmost support, we do a lot of work, without our support, we can not continue to this day, so I was very grateful to everyone here. (8 : 51 pm update) we are achieving some of these work, but there are many places does not meet the expectations of owners, such as owners of the Committee have not we get rid of the preparatory committee, which is one. There are some other self-evident , but the good news is, we have been tireless volunteer efforts, and actively in the learning summary and the development prospects of the future vision and future direction, we say at this time for many of our volunteers what is expected , there are more experts and scholars, in particular, the property experts and scholars to come to us into, in our work, activities such as today we are also glad to see some of our society, experts and scholars have been able to to us for exchange, so we have been doing this kind of work. these really need us to do, we say the construction of grassroots democracy is the wisdom, not a personal matter, not on who can own completed, but also the majority of the owners and scholars in all aspects of transportation, communication with each other, and now a lot to promote a mutual exchange, there is very smooth, then people that need this kind of exchange between husband and wife to communication, children and parents communicate, exchange of young and old, even religious believers have to God through prayer and communication, the exchange can only achieve understanding and tolerance, so that will also play this role. (8 : 52 minutes later) I want to say about my own experience, I have to build the future we owners of the Committee of the Association of Guangzhou Ye Hao, Federation Ye Hao, really in the two years, we really do depend on all some work, but I am willing to say something here, I am willing, as always, persevere in this work well, do so, to allow more people to participate in this which, to witness history with the mission entrusted to us, otherwise I think it will miss our special times in this process, and only work together to fight, only property owners may realize our autonomy, our industry, the Commission is to give all sides of a bridge to build a supportive, encouraging everyone to create a reciprocal, mutual assistance and Hall of gratitude, of course, the owners of her parents, it is often said, let the majority of owners to peace and joy to create a harmonious community go the way, safeguarding the way happy home, good, I'll stop here. (Applause) (8:55 pm update) Moderator: Mr. Sun Weili speak, is the encouragement of owners, I would like also for their encouragement, everyone has copies of the report following the official start time. requested below harmony Community Development Center director, community governance famous public person Mr. Cai Ruoyan speech, his topic is feel good, including the people we meet today to very homogeneous, harmonious community development centers that we are in fact the area of governance in the community an academic institution, but which can be said in this area in the country as far as I know is the only level civil affairs departments, non-profit institutions, here I put us in this area, some of my personal research experience for everyone to do some exchanges. We all know that we owners of the Committee in the current environment is very difficult to survive, whether it is also established good, or whether you did not set up very difficult, and some cities may be exceptions, as we have heard, the government committee set up under the auspices of the proportion of owners is very high, to 90% or more, but this is very normal thing in itself, Now I want some of them in this experience, sharing with you about, what caused the current situation. (8:56 pm update) understanding of the client first, I think the Committee should understand the concepts and definitions, as in the previous owners definition or the definition of property management comes from our the exercise of rights is the legal representative of the process of external, or a total of a representative of, for example, I bought the house, but the property who is exercising, the legal representative of the country is we, who elected to exercise is not everyone, nor is property owners elected, nor is the property owner elected, that is the legal representative, for whom the registration, who is the owner, so the owners understand the concept of a property owner with the participation not the same, somewhat similar to the shareholders may be more than we There are, or may couple communism of property, but in the exercise of the process, shareholders can only be registered to vote, etc., this is the property is in the process of foreign legal process of the exercise, the owner is the property's legal representative, the representative different from the company's legal representative, so I added a brace. (8:58 pm update) is the resident population, the user, the use of the property, property management, there are two definitions: a definition that we Ordinance about order maintenance and property management is irrelevant, in the is the actual meaning of the life cycle in the property to protect the value of the property and play the implementation of property management and maintenance activities, it is clear for the first property, not people, to understand the concept of owners and property management concepts, the next to look at what the owners is a condition. As a property owner's legal representative, let the owners actually a cross with a community is, in part of a community among the owners, rather than part of the owners, while owners of a considerable portion of them do not living in the community, that is, he is a cross in the community, and why it comes to this, talking about rights is now very difficult for the owners, or owners of consciousness is difficult, and why? many topics that we present some of the people beyond the owners were demand that these things are living outside of the owners do not care, why? (9:00 pm update) with his stakeholders, and some parking management fee dispute issues, some residential property owners do not live here do not care So we put the motion but the use of some category of people, the community is concerned, a small portion of the property, the property is divided into parts and shared some exclusive, property management is in fact its meaning is part of the management of shared, that is, discoloration of the part, so the property management in the community which is very low proportion, that the real property management should take care of what, in fact, we the public facilities, equipment, conservation and maintenance, and repair, this is a property The essence of management work, and now the property management has actually exceeded this range, is due to expand the scope of property management regulations, resulting in the order of his responsibility to the community, for example, our security, our cleaning, garbage removal, etc. utilities and public goods such as these will fall into the scope of a property company, we know that if bundled with a commercial activity of public goods, it will be very high-handed, and it will win such huge profits. For example, our telecommunications, after we were in Beijing Ministry of Civil Affairs held a seminar, we have discussed a case, a very good case to do that all the community building to the developer, the tube very good to me when I was asked the such a problem, I said Gao Bugao your contribution rate of property charges, they said 90% is high, I said, how do you achieve it, they say children can not go to school fees, this is a very obvious bundle of public goods commercial interests of the example above, that is, business is business, not with public goods on the inside, once the bundle later, as the owners of Ye Hao, public Ye Hao, Ye Hao is no way of social placement, and now the property management of the road is right , but expanded, extending beyond that which ultimately led to the public goods we have had a significant variation, we can see many of the current property management disputes largely stems from the dispute public goods, such as our parking management, is to use people's things, not the slightest relationship with the owners, as long as you live, and you have a car, you will have a parking management needs, if you have no car, but people still live in the United States is there in this area a set of rooms, parking management issues you want to do not care, that the owners to make such a motion if the Commission enable him to stand, only to have a compassion and friendship to vote, or not, has nothing to do with their interests. ( 9:05 pm update) this is now not so much the loss of the rights of property owners, largely lost the power of the residents, the interests of the residents we lost largely due to the deviation of the legislative process which, we as owners of the Committee set up after Many things can be resolved, but I do not think such a thing, the interests of owners of the Committee as a body, it is actually for the interests of the service, and can be bought, the owners of property rights institution is the Committee as a financial equivalent units of capacity, let the owners vote on what area of the General Assembly meeting, largely controlled in this area is very easy, and just like our companies, a large 10% stake in the company holding the can, Let me give an example of Beijing area. This area is rather special, when in the sales of the Convention, which was temporary, parking fees of 1,500 yuan / month, very expensive, we have signed to buy property, but the developer sold half When the floor well, he will not sell, retain a third, to do office rental, this area eventually turned into what state? owners actually controlled by developers, because the property management regulations in accordance with prevailing requirements, two thirds of the voting rights of the owners never fail, because it is the largest developer of property rights is not, so the number of parking fee income has nothing to do with him, he was pleased to change to change, change is not happy to change, so Parking management is a very typical example, that this is not the power of the owners, we always think of themselves as owners, the rights and interests of the first injury, so desperate to embrace the top right of the owners in the legislation, the right to embrace the results of the last found the power and back to the developers hands, back to the hands of interest groups, so in this process, I think we should be very clear understanding that the power of our legislative body is actually the loss of the loss of this right once the concept was referred to the owners Inside the scope, the concept emphasized by the owners, for example, great emphasis is now we registered owners, you is not the owners who are not registered, many of the executive authorities in the administrative process is so identified, this is right, the problem is that we all see themselves as think of themselves as owners, but in fact is not lost some power to the power loss of the owners, but residents lost power, such as personal security, shelter security, and the owners have no relationship, so in fact, security not to protect the safety of the owners, but to protect the safety of residents, why is there such a problem? because this is a historical reason, we the residents of the State Committee on relatively long history, although as an autonomous organization, but in fact as an official a leg, as the district offices of the branch, so the residents at this time he is in conflict, to the establishment of the organization, then we first thought of the owners committee, this is our own. neighborhood committee is not our own, but in fact into which this power to the neighborhood, community policing, community environment, community policing, and so are the neighborhood of these powers, so why do we have owners of the Committee which set up will meet strong resistance, including the residents committees, neighborhood committees organized our law should not form an owners committee, why? The first is the power of the cross, you have to go out into people's pockets inside out, this is a. (9:09 pm update) The second is habit, control of the district offices have heard the words of a sudden it. just like we lost a child to play a small, 6 years old when found, Renjieguizong a process, first of all we have to recognize him. Secondly there slow process of understanding, how to recognize him, is very simple, the residents of each member of the Committee are elected, as long as we pick up in the hands of valid votes, the residents will soon be Renzuguizong the Commission. Let's take a look at the community some of the content, the community is a piece of property management, property management I have just mentioned actually include facilities maintenance, equipment maintenance, public goods and community building community content actually includes a lot of, for example, to run security, social public goods, education, like, school, including commercial facilities, etc., there are living, if our convenience stores, breakfast, as well as personal property, including security, two forms of a social security, is Pianjing, local police station. There is also a personal safety and security, and this is our security, the security is actually a vicious demand, that is, when our security needs, or wealth, more than the social average level of the standard time, there will be this kinds of needs, especially money, when a person requires a report concept is, if you as much money, no money or have money, do not have the needs. society must be accountable to him, so when the community we plot the development of each region to become a commercial residential area, the security do not need, and why? have the average social security requirements, so security is a non-essential things, and now there are some old commercial residential living standards and status of areas have been far less than the new area, or far below the average level of social security when the need, the only need is to provide basic social protection, which can meet the great basic protection the needs of most people, this is a function of society, or government functions must be provided so that this is the content itself, property management, property management regulations, but through intensive, in fact, something has been included in the scope of property management is security, livelihood security and operational security, this one by a property management company to implement, and often lead to community conflict, which soon will be a very important factor, we set up property company why so difficult, because of the earlier expansion of this one children, we can think about if the company to control equipment maintenance and repair, he will not bring the first change of the turbulence community, is a purely market-oriented. The second will not cause the loss of community public goods, we Beijing has an area known as a very large property change caused confusion, why did not the night, no one opened the elevator, electricity has stopped, not all public goods, and the community will inevitably fall into turmoil, as The Let water, electricity, gas, heating, etc. These products are also the north, by commercial means is not directly over, once bound by a commercial means tied to commercial interests, following the analysis of what the composition of the owners, the higher the owners do not simply let Common understanding is that we the people, not actually, including the what? (9:13 pm update) include the residential property owners, which he is currently a subject of China, living owners is to buy a house and I live here. also non-resident owners, non-resident owners of which I was doing a subdivision, there is a also the owners live in other places, but also the demand for housing, there are some ideas empathy, you have problems, he may appear, there is a non- Among the largest piece of residential property owners is the other owners and developers, other owners is the owner of the agency, for example, is to real estate, or just to bribe the housing, these owners will not participate in any activity, there is developers, developers sure to retain a considerable portion of business property as a house or what relation, is relatively large property owners, concerned about what is between them? We can see that the concerns of the owners are living the most, such as housing quality, the cost of living , safety, and the provision of public goods, I live here, children have no place to go to school? no place nursery? bus how? convenience is not convenient? traffic how? traffic jam traffic jam does not? are concerned about the owners living there that property rights and bonds, while the property referred to itself the power and bond owners owners of the Committee constituted a very important factor in the conflict, and other non-resident is concerned about property rights, with the bonds. that's the popular thing, such as housing developers selling properties less time to give me 3 square meters, all owners have come back to vote with him to court, if it is living quality problems, otherwise the. some questions to point of death, including the shrinking housing problems, if resolved by owners, developers certain to vote against the interests of this and there's four owners is inconsistent, benefit analysis that five people inside actually, four owners plus residents, I probably give a few examples, we discuss the cost of living increase to the problem of property costs to rise, to raise the property tax, who would agree to it? Who would object? (9:17 pm update) it is clear the residents must be opposed, because the cost of living increases, related objection is actually the owners live, and why? resident owners live here with my family, developers and other owners of non-resident owners is whether either, mainly to see his relationship with the owners, or is to give up, why? all of the cost of living increase is caused by the property maintenance quality improvement, which we bought a home with a car, I used to be rented out to another time, maintenance time to spend more money the more I pleased, when you care to spend less money, certainly for the owners in terms of The more unhappy, with this increased the cost of a relationship, in fact, increase in cost is not the case, if the management of larger proportion, for example, we increased the proportion of maintenance, the same management fee is 3 dollars spent 2 million to do cleaning, 1 yuan to do service, you can reduce the content of services, security can be reduced, cleaning can be reduced, but the increase in equipment maintenance, residents unhappy to see the security guards are not a kind, and one by one spirit, cleaning to do also not very good, but to do good maintenance of equipment, housing owners must be mixed, they do not enjoy these services, there is a service fee, the entire property under the same management fees, service costs, and certainly the residents, and residential property owners, security door station kiosks, most residents welcome this time, because the environment has been improved, developers and non-residential property owners to improve service because the ratio of management to reduce the proportion of this time is detrimental to the equipment, Therefore, these other types of owners is certainly not welcome, because there is no income, no income from the larger proportion of them, a common problem we have a property bond proposition, the proposition is actually the most acute areas of conflict, which can be seen inside nothing to do with the property, the main problem is housing and developers, except this time among the four owners will certainly stand outside developers, so this time if the General Assembly to vote by the owners if, in fact, it will lead to their rights difficult, we can be very successful rights, basically the name of group and individual rights, and I deal with developers, owners often entrusted to the Committee when the owners do the difficult, and even the courts are not accepted, so Owners Committee will not be a panacea, from the legal definition of terms, must pay attention to some of the things themselves, that is, when the property management regulations can not exceed the property owners of the Committee activities. (9; 21 minutes later) then I think we often talk about that autonomy, before we always say that property management autonomy, and autonomy in the end what is, in fact, I personally oppose the autonomy such a reference, because the self-government itself is a non-exclusive, is a social public goods, personalized process services in the real world, as the responsibility of government or state, autonomy in this area is the responsibility of State and Government, and this non-exclusive, but the executive power to intervene in the country, and there is a self-supply of content, including, public welfare, the elderly Yangko Team , choir, and so some of the needs of the community, when community residents do not need the time, we do not vote when the time is not required, there is no, this is an autonomous basic things. why I object to you Property Management that the owners of autonomy? the internal behavior of the owners is an exclusive process, is a real right to exercise the process, property rights are actually exercised exclusive, no power to interfere with the executive the exercise of property rights. Why, now property of a relative, that is, Property bundles of public goods because, for example, which we cook at home, at home alone, when no power to interfere with anyone what I eat, but now the neighbors Wilt meal when you do, love for neighbor Zhang to come and see, you do salty, light, and spicy pull, pull acid, which is a relative of the process of power, the power expansion is not necessarily a good thing, when you pipe the pipe should not have the time to who must have should not be there to manage the administration, so the field inside the Property, if the property management to control purity of the property maintenance, property owners who can not exercise the right of intervention, but because the relationship to public safety, such as security, police station received must be handed down to come, so this property is actually a relative of a very terrible, we are often too was that we had the property of autonomy, what is the concept of autonomy, autonomy is a government under the control of self-management the concept of property management is not autonomy, is the internal management of the process is exclusive, so is the protection of property and the property to bear the consequences of the process, that is good or bad I was in charge, do not others to make irresponsible remarks, I their own affairs, while I have my property to bear the consequences do not need anyone to bear the consequences, which is the property management control of the content, but the current situation is not. Why? now added the concept of community safety, community safety is good or bad , owners can not bear the consequences, is the residents to bear the consequences, you did a poor job security, who bear the consequences, often stolen, this time the residents personal and property security is threatened, the residents to bear the consequences, it is a property management the exercise of private rights, protected by law, rather than administrative intervention can be, and why the concept of property rights we are now a lot of direct action that the government has not say this directly began to sue, which is normal, the last One officer asked me why I like so much action it now, and I said things that property, the government can stop, and the government sometimes have become stakeholders, or the wrong side, for example, certificates of title issued the error, error changes in the planning, these are violations of property rights, this time there is no way the owners can only litigation, there is a feature exclusive third-party intervention, property rights are exclusive, others who have no control over me. (9:25 minutes later) there are some common problems, such as we set up the owners of the Committee process, we will encounter the problem of participation, many owners of the Committee during the preparatory process, we do not participate in the meeting very difficult, even after the establishment of the main open Committee meetings are also a lot of people mentioned in Tainan representation, or the establishment of a wide range of representative bodies to replace the owners of this I do not want too many comments, but I want to tell you that this property can not be represented in this area , everyone is composed of independent interest, but he is the agent, if the agent is one to one, and now the participation, in fact, highlight the correlation, we proposed the motion, the problem is not with the We have a relationship, I have talked so much, there is a subtle difference between residents and property owners, if you mention only the property owners concerned about these issues, then the non-resident property owners, concerned residents only, non-residential sector, the main developers, including some interest groups, it will not participate in the process of setting up the meetings of owners, assuming that all the issues that the House quickly collapsed, and we see how investment in maintenance, I think everyone will come to vote, the House, we all have to maintain, you do not get will be scrapped, we all vote, but the security of this building after the station layout, we have a lot of interest and vote with us, not the interests of a certain convergence of thinking among the owners, because the property from different sources, some of which may sent as a relationship, the developer of a pleasure to send to a friend, send a house. 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